Hair Loss Treatment for Baldness, Thinning Hair, Alopecia & Hair Transplant Scar

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   Northpole
   Junior Member
   Num Posts: 83

   Hey all,
   I was hoping some of you can share your experiences with me.
   I was told I need three treatments from day one.
   I had my second treatment a week ago.
   I was told that the color would lighten, but it almost looks like its lightened over 50% to the pont that unless you are up close a foot away, you can't see anything.
   The color seems to be coming off as the little scabs heal.
   I didn't work out, pour water on my head, use shampoo or anything like that.
   I'm really disheartened right now and was hoping someone could shed some light on this.

   I don't want to say it, but it looks like I haven't even had the treatment done.
   I will post all my pictures within the next day.

   Posted 5 months ago #
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   DHTassassin
   HIS Veteran
   Num Posts: 272

   Northpole,

   Once you have posted the pictures, we shall all be able to provide you with a decent assessment.

   That said, where did you get the treatment done?

   DHT

   Posted 5 months ago #
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   htscar
   Junior Member
   Num Posts: 32

   North pole, the HIS organization backs up there work as far as I can see. So when you return for the next treatment let them know how you feel. You will probably need a 4th treatment. I too need a 4th treatment. My treatment has lightened a lot as well. Don't get discouraged yet. Remember how long you have been losing hair...It's a process...I agree with DHT when you upload pics we can better assess the look. Good luck....

   Posted 5 months ago #
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   marc
   Newbie
   Norwood 3
   Num Posts: 19

   hello north pole im also experencing the same exact things as you, but I was told it takes 3 weeks to fully kick in after 2nd treatment but dont worry his staff is very helpful and will help you out till it looks right!

   Posted 5 months ago #
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   Dart
   Junior Member
   Num Posts: 22

   I had my 2nd treatment this past Friday, the 25th, and the first one week prior.  After the first treatment, and not using any lotions or anything, my head became extremely dry.  In fact during my second treatment, it was peeling as he was wiping my head down.  This had me concerned but my practitioner didn't seem to worried.

   On Sunday, 2 days post 2nd treatment, my head again began to itch from being so dry.  I avoided itching it as much as humanly possible.  By Monday little flakes began to fall off and I could see dots surrounded by dead skin. 

   I waiting for a few more days to get to worried as now I have started lotions and vitamin A and D creams. 

   I love the look, but am concerned about the peeling and fading since my head got so dry.  Nice to know others have seen the same. 

   Does anyone know why they want you to keep your head so dry post treatment?  Even after my real tattoo I was told to keep creams on it. 

   Posted 5 months ago #
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   fodandahalf
   HIS Veteran
   Num Posts: 319

   I think it's so the pigments can settle in properly. I'm still confused about shaving, i.e. why you cannot shave the areas which have not been treated with SMP.

   Currently saving up for MHT, aim to get it done by May/ June 
   
   Using dermmatch on my frontal hairline and also to replicate shaved follicles on my side profiles. 
   

   Posted 5 months ago #
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   Magic
   HIS Veteran
   Num Posts: 341

   I was told to keep it moist with i.e vaseline......and that dry scalp is not good for the pigments....

   Posted 5 months ago #
8. 

   Northpole
   Junior Member
   Num Posts: 83

   I'm gald to know that I'm not alone on this.
   Honestly, its like loosing my hair all over again, except this time I wasn't expecting it.

   I've gone back to wearing my hat, its surprising emotional.

   I was told not to put anything on my head for the first week. Now I use a non shine lotion.

   Posted 5 months ago #
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   BusterBlood27
   HIS Veteran
   Norwood 7
   Num Posts: 314

   Where did you get your treatment done Northpole?

   Had 3 sessions in London during January/February 2012. Very very happy :)

   Posted 5 months ago #
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    Magic
    HIS Veteran
    Num Posts: 341

    @ Northpole.

    Hang in there. I know how you feel. I was so down after a few days after my first treatment even though I was warned by my practionar not to worry when it's healing. The forum was very supportive.

    It's all about the final treatment when everything comes together. But I'm going to be real. Some cases don't work out as planned so please prepare for that, but do know that the end result will be as expected.

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Mike ››HiTopFade‹‹
    HIS Veteran
    Norwood 7
    Num Posts: 601

    Northpole had his treatment done in NYC.

    @ Dart,

    How far apart were your two treatments? You can use lotion/shampoo/shave after 4-5 days of your treatment.

    A good thing for new guys getting MHT to know is that you should keep your head well moisturized before getting the treatment. I think that was the first thread I ever read on HIS forum. It was Thfc's thread about how his treatment had faded because he wore a hair system and didn't properly moisturize. The poor guy had to fly all the way back to the UK to get it touched up! =//

    Live. Through. This.
    

    I'm a broke 24 year old who can't afford to fly to NYC.
    

    I'm getting MHT when the Chicago Clinic opens in Spring of 2012.

    :)
    

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Northpole
    Junior Member
    Num Posts: 83

    OkAs promised first two are 24 hrs after first treatment

    

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Northpole
    Junior Member
    Num Posts: 83

    Next two are 48 hrs after first treatment

    

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Northpole
    Junior Member
    Num Posts: 83

    Next two are six days after first treatment

    

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Northpole
    Junior Member
    Num Posts: 83

    Next, six hours after second treatment

    

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Northpole
    Junior Member
    Num Posts: 83

    Ok
    So be honest guys.
    I was/kinda am a NW6-7

    I spoke with my practitioner today and he reassured me that he saw this happening because we went slightly lighter. I trust his judgment and know he will take care of this process.

    At the same time you can't help but feel disheartened. I trust HIS will meet and beat my expectations

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    DHTassassin
    HIS Veteran
    Num Posts: 272

    Northpole said: "Ok So be honest guys."

    Northpole,

    Don't worry, I am always brutally honest regardless of whether or not that earns me any fanfare.

    Truth be told, after 2 treatments it looks way too light for my taste.  If they told you 3 sessions, it must have been an estimate, because I highly doubt that with just 3 sessions you will happy unless your technician actually goes significantly darker and even so, time again we have learned that regardless of how dark the last session is, the treatment always lightens enough to warrant most to go in for a "final" session.

    If I were in your shoes, I would ask why exactly they have gone so light with your case from the beginning.  Clearly, this is causing you concern, because if not you wouldn't have mentioned it to us (for reassurance and some support which is perfectly fine).

    I will ask again, where did you go to have your treatment done and who was your practitioner?

    I know HiTop mentioned that you had your session(s) in the NYC clinic, but I highly doubt that, because based on this video still that I captured from their LA clinic highlights (http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k521/DHTassassin1/LAClinicStill.jpg), I can clearly see that it was done in LA by way of comparison to your posted pictures which you took in their identical LA treatment room.

    That aside, who was your practitioner?

    Why do I ask?  Simple, if certain practitioners have a habit of going too light, or not dense enough or, simply put, don't have the best track record, it can be helpful to those considering treatments in the future.

    Why is it helpful to name them? 

    These procedures are costly, slightly painful, time consuming (demanding time off for some) and can take an emotional toll on certain individuals whereby they might feel slightly terrified at the idea of walking out with something on their heads that looks short of pristine for others to pick at.

    I know that it is often shunned upon to mention practitioner names here, but this is not the first time we are seeing a case where someone's treatment looks way too light short of their last session.  If it were merely an issue of density, you would be able to tell us that the amount of replicated follicles clearly fall short in number compared to your native follicles, but this is clearly not the case since you mentioned that upon bringing this up to the practitioner he said it was a matter of him going "slightly lighter".

    Anyhow, those are my thoughts.  I hope I don't offend you in any way; I am just trying to be as honest as I would like EVERYONE to be with me if I decide to go for the treatment and post subsequent pictures for critique.

    I wish you the best of luck,
    DHT
    

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Norrie3
    Newbie
    Num Posts: 2

    You said:

    "I
    spoke with my practitioner today and he reassured me that he saw this
    happening because we went slightly lighter. I trust his judgment and
    know he will take care of this process."

    It would give people a better understanding of why this may have happened if they had read your original post:

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    Although
    I can understand where some people are coming from in terms of
    lightening and going darker, I’d like to share my experience.

    
    
    I was about a NW6 and/or 7. I used to trim my head with a 0. Everyone
    at work was used to seeing me bald. If I came back with a jet set of
    pigmentation, that would look too obvious. Although some people may not
    care about this, I wanted the transformation to be subtle.

    
    
    With this in mind, I asked Matt to go less dense and keep it subtle.
    Matt fully understood my perspective and followed it to the tie. During
    the first treatment Matt and I created a hairline and he filled the back
    of my head. The second, which was five days later, I specifically asked
    for a subtle fill in. Once again, I didn't want it to look obvious that
    I got the treatment done. Its been about two days and I will be the
    first to admit it is extremely light. But I’m okay with this.

    
     I've booked my third treatment in Jan. Yes it is a
    while away but I want the pigment to settle and everyone to get used to
    seeing my "new growth". On the third treatment, I'm going for a darker
    and denser treatment. This would essentially "lull" everyone into
    thinking my hair is getting denser as opposed to having the treatment.
    
    I went to work today and not a single person noticed. My girlfriend
    also was actually amazed at how subtle the change was in the front. The
    rear was blended perfectly by Matt so you can’t see where my actual hair
    and the pigmentation meet.  The front hairline is soft and that’s exactly what I wanted.  

    
    
    At the end of the day gents, it doesn't matter how many treatments
    you have. Its better, in my opinion, to get the procedure in stages as
    opposed to a one block session.
    

    
    

    
    

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    It seems the treatment always lightens up to match the hairs on your head.
    If you have chosen to go extremely light to begin with, I'd have
    thought your practitioner would have said that this could lighten up
    even more to the point it wasn't really visible?

    Might be a good
    idea to give the practitioner a free reign in terms of colour choice as
    they will know what will match your natural hair best. Also if they have
    went very light for 2 treatments, and plan on going dark for just one
    session, good chance a fourth would be needed.

    
    

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    DHTassassin
    HIS Veteran
    Num Posts: 272

    Norrie,

    First and foremost, how are you Matt?

    Dude, you came out of the sidelines with your inaugural first post just to defend the technician in this case? (You even dug up the posts by NorthPole to support why the technician might have gone the route he did & even suggested that the client give the technician free rein!)

    Sorry if I am mistaken (highly doubt it), but your (Norrie3) post seems like a post made by an actual technician (Matt) in order to defend his own ass via the use of a gimmick account.

    I mean, why else would someone waste time in registering, doing the homework to find that post from northpole and dedicate his first post (usually an introductory post) to instead defending Matt and suggesting that the client hand over the reins of power to the technician?

    What I find peculiar is that this is the 2nd documented case (Look up DannyLongIsland) where matt has left a client with a product that was WAY TOO LIGHT. Call it a hiccup or just his being safe in his approach, but it's suspect.

    Here's a link to DannyLongIsland's post Norrie, maybe Danny might have given Matt free rein as well in his case or maybe it's just a hiccup?

    http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/tomorrow-is-the-big-day

    I hope I'm wrong and Norrie3 isn't Matt's gimmick and simply just an innocent bystander, who just so happens to believe in doing research to defend a tech he has never met and appreciates doing such defending upon his very first post.

    Who knows..
    DHT

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    BusterBlood27
    HIS Veteran
    Norwood 7
    Num Posts: 314

    DHT, no disrespect but you seem to do a lot of talking and a lot of asking but not a lot of doing.  You seem a little bit obsessed with this forum and I believe a visit to a clinic or a meet up with a few ex HIS clients would answer half your questions and give you a life away from this forum.  I have met up with a few clients, had my consultation and am booked in January.

    Do some of the same bud. All the best Buster.

    Had 3 sessions in London during January/February 2012. Very very happy :)

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Norrie3
    Newbie
    Num Posts: 2

    I'm not Matt, but I'm good thanks for asking. Also not anyone that works for or is affiliated with HIS, but a client.

    I'm not here to defend anyone. I got worried at the thought of my own treatment becoming light to the point of not being visible after a couple of days till I noticed that this client had requested it extremely light in the first place but hadn't stated it within here which was misleading.

    In terms of the colour I would suggest the client give the technician free reign to match the existing hair I stick by that.

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    DHTassassin
    HIS Veteran
    Num Posts: 272

    BusterBlood27 said: DHT, no disrespect but you seem to do a lot of talking and a lot of asking but not a lot of doing. 

    Really, do you know me personally?  If you do, you would know that I do a heck of a lot of doing, but I typically like to talk and ask questions before jumping into any decision, seems logical no?

    BusterBlood27 said:You seem a little bit obsessed with this forum and I believe a visit to a clinic or a meet up with a few ex HIS clients would answer half your questions and give you a life away from this forum.

    A little obsessed??  Well, I have been in this forum for just about 2 months and have 196 posts, you joined a month ago and have 83 posts.  I'd say your right on par with my obsession.

    BusterBlood27 said:I have met up with a few clients, had my consultation and am booked in January.

    Good for you!

    BusterBlood27 said: Do some of the same bud.

    Already did that, but thanks for trying to be "helpful".

    All the best to you too bud!

    NEXT...
    DHT

    Posted 5 months ago #
23. 

    Remingtonchap
    Regular Contributor
    Num Posts: 108

    dont mess with DHT he is the assassin.

    his logic is sound.
    

    
    

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Damien
    Moderator
    Num Posts: 1723

    Norrie, the poor formatting in your post is probably due to copying and pasting out of an Office program like Microsoft Word or something. If you're copying and pasting from elsewhere, try pasting into Notepad first then copying from there to the forum. This removes the formatting.

    @ DHT - To the best of my knowledge, Norrie has nothing to do with HIS. I'm sure Norrie wont mind me mentioning this (as it is in his defence), but his IP address shows a location in Edinburgh, Scotland. We have no staff stationed in Edinburgh, and Matt is based primarily in New York. I cant share Norrie's actual IP address without his permission.

    I am based in the UK and spend a lot of time at the Harborne clinic in Birmingham, managing the website and forum. Want to contact me? Send me a PM or email me - damien@hishairclinic.com
    
    Just joined? See our YouTube videos and gallery

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    DHTassassin
    HIS Veteran
    Num Posts: 272

    Norrie3,

    Sorry for my assumption.

    Point taken Damien, fair enough..

    DHT

    P.S. It's sad that technicians can't come on here and give their side of the story, because for all we know, Matt might have been under the premise that going very light is best as per the client, but we have no way of ascertaining that, so it's always hearsay.

    Posted 5 months ago #
26. 

    john_phil
    Junior Member
    Num Posts: 32

    lol @ matt, if he is really matt. haha. 

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Damien
    Moderator
    Num Posts: 1723

    @ DHT - No probs. The reason practitioners arent active forum members is because they would be absolutely innundated with questions that they simply wouldnt have time to answer. I understand your point though. In an ideal world.....

    I am based in the UK and spend a lot of time at the Harborne clinic in Birmingham, managing the website and forum. Want to contact me? Send me a PM or email me - damien@hishairclinic.com
    
    Just joined? See our YouTube videos and gallery

    Posted 5 months ago #
28. 

    LPP
    HIS Veteran
    Other alopecia
    Num Posts: 368

    After spending some time at a HIS office over the past 2 months I don't know how the practitioners would have time to be active in this forum and have any kind of semblance of a life. 

    
    

    When they are not working on clients heads they are conducting consults in person or via skype. Not to mention handling the back office business of each clinic. 

    
    

    I don't know when these guys even eat lunch. My wife said on Monday she wanted to bring cookies and stuff for them next time since they don't take breaks. They finish one client, settle the bill with them and immediately go on to work with the next client. 

    
    

    Most of us have jobs where we take a break for lunch or go home and have time for the gym and some TV and friends. 

    
    

    The practitioners on Monday were lamenting how they can't even get to the gym. 

    
    

    For them to participate here their job would have to be a 24 hour day with no down time. 

    
    

    I'd much rather know that they go out at night and let off some steam after a 12 hour day than think they finish up actually working at the clinic by sitting on the forums all night talking with us. 

    
    

    Point is, these guys are busy. I've seen it with my own eyes. They don't sit down and shoot the shit. They move from one client to another until their last client or consult walks out the door. 

    
    

    I suffered from a form of scarring alopecia called Lichen Planopilaris. I had my first treatment with HIS on 11/28/2011 and it's changed my life for the better. Read my diary at the link below for pictures and detailed experiences. 

    
    

    http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/first-post

    Posted 5 months ago #
29. 

    Hat dude
    Junior Member
    Norwood 4
    Num Posts: 68

    @Damien- I wanted to ask about this issue people are having in the US with dryness and lightening of pigment because it seems that its turning to a common problem. I myself had the same issue and I wanted to know if a client has say in if he wants to go a shade darker because he feels that they shade they are using is lightening too much?

    Also I wanted to let everyone know that I have done some research online and have discovered that in the US. They use stronger agents to keep our water clean thus causing it to become hard water specially in southern california. This will cause the dryness on the scalp that everyone is referring too if not followed by moisturizer after showers. I felt like between the dry scalp, flaking and the pigment not being dark enough it just wasnt working out. It might be something that practioners that are going to be in US might have to adapt to and not be so intimidated to go a shade darker to adjust to our needs over here. I have met up with a few clients in my area and they all had the same issue and they felt like they werent being heard when they wanted to go a shade darker to balance lightening of pigment.

    I was probably one the first patients they had when they opened the LA clinic and the practioners that worked on me had great attitudes. I recently went back for a fourth treatment to resolve lightening issue. I went a shade darker as Ian and Rambir agreed with me as well. I am really happy I did because with all the issues of it lightening it matched perfect! I may be going back for a couple areas for touch up but other than that I'm happy. I hope this helps guys and we shouldnt bash practioners because I believe they are doing what theyre trained to. I believe that if practioner hears out the clients concerns every session and adapt to situation everything should work out.

    Posted 5 months ago #
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    Northpole
    Junior Member
    Num Posts: 83

    Gents,
    I may have been in abit of a panic when I posted.
    Matt was my practitioner and anyone who has had the treatment by him and verify he is a professional. I flew from Toronto to LA because I wanted Matt to by my practitioner. Finding a medium between Matt's  schedule and mine meant flying to LA because he was filling in there.

    I want to make it clear that I intended a subtle/light transition. I guess my panic came from how subtle it was. This does not call Matt's ability into question. Furthermore, the fact that I was able to contact Matt and speak to him, in my opinion shows how knowledgable and professional he is.

    Remember, this is a work in progress and it has to be taken for that. My panic was a reasonable response. I danced the night away and after waking up, I'm calm.

    This forum is designed to share experiences and knowledge amongst those of us who are thinking about the treatment, having the treatment, and had the treatment......and I think this is what it should be used for.

    Posted 5 months ago #

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