Hair Loss Treatment for Baldness, Thinning Hair, Alopecia & Hair Transplant Scar

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   JB
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   Magic said: I assume they don't add anymore dots. Otherwise you would have random new and old pigments on your head. I guess it's the same when the pigments needs to be darkened after your first treatment when they fade a bit.

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   In my opinion you nailed it..its just like if they were doing the staged process from step one..to step two...to step three..

   Any touchup would just be a stage four update years down the road if a client wanted process refined a bit more with consideration to possible fade or a slight change to expand the shape..

   IMO

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   Warrior
   HIS Veteran
   Norwood 5
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   Both of my tats are on my upper arms and I have one on my shoulder. I have never used sunblock on them and they have pealed from sunburn several times over the years. They aren't exposed to daily sunlight, but I frequently do yard work or sunbathe where they get exposed a lot. They are just normal tats that I got while in the USMC.
    I know Damien has said that they use slightly differing pigments with this process and I really don't know what that means. I don't know if its a trade secret or what.
    I have heard that purely cosmetic pigments are very different from the pigments used in regular tats. I actually did search on the FDA's website about tattoo pigments and colors and if you do so as well, you will find out some information about tattoo colors and what the regulations in the USA are on them. Their site will tell what is or isn't approved in the USA for use. You will be quite surprised. I don't think that tattoo is very regulated. I'm not sure it really needs to be. It is optional, and most things that are optional are regulated unless there is a study that involves people who have contracted a major illness or something. I think the only real federal guidelines are along the lines of general sterilization and cleanliness.

   not yet. Scheduled in for the fall..

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   LPP
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   Other alopecia
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   These are fair questions Anotherguy. I think the closest we have to compare to other than Ian is Vince who has posted pics from 2-2.5 years post treatment. Vince also says he sees no fading and he ignores the sun exposure rules in his posts I believe. I'm not sure when Aldemar or Matt were done but I've seen them in the NYC offices and their heads still look perfect. 

   
   

   I guess the question is if you go in for a touchup, how does it work. Does the practitioner carefully go over the existing MHT dots to recolor them?

   
   

   I would think if they went in with that kind of precision than a touch up is truly a touch up on the spots and it shouldn't cause the blobbing/bleeding issue you're talking about. I've also learned that the MHT doesn't go as deep as a traditional tattoo would so the issues from a deeper traditional tat may not apply here. 

   
   

   Be interesting to see a response on this although it may be too new of a procedure to truly know how touch ups affect the scalp skin if needed in the future. 

   I suffered from a form of scarring alopecia called Lichen Planopilaris. I had my first treatment with HIS on 11/28/2011 and it's changed my life for the better. Read my diary at the link below for pictures and detailed experiences. 

   
   

   http://forum.hishairclinic.com/topic/first-post

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   Warrior
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   Here is the FDA page I was referring to. http://www.fda.gov/cosmetics/productandingredientsafety/productinformation/ucm108530.htm
   The part about the tattoo depths and why a tat would bleed or blob out is interesting to me.

   not yet. Scheduled in for the fall..

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   JB
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   Great post LLP ..let me add that after seeing the first and then the second treatment and hearing from my buddy Jeff who doesn't post on the forum much...that its really just really tiny dots that look like hair...You have them poke your head a thousand or so times with that tattoo thing and it would never be a problem if they dupicated the same spot.

   Let me see if I can find Jeff's email from him last night and copy and paste a portion of it.

   If Jeff shoots me an email to remove his private email to me...because he wants complete privacy...I'll just ask Damien to remove it. Jeff was cool with the last email partial copy and paste so I tend to think he'll be cool with it again.

   He's so dam happy with the results via each of his emails I enjoy each and every one of them so thats why I want to share a portion of it with you.

   Here's the quote:

   Hi JB

   Day Two of the second treatment and the redness is starting to subside. My wife has a makeup mirror that enlarges everything. I looked at my head for the first time really close. I didn't even realize how tiny the dots were until I looked really close. They look like
   F@#$%&# hair follicles! Amazing..

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   anotherguy
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   Hi there LPP,

   You may be right in that dotting over the same ink should take care of the issue I have. However, when I received my consultation, the consultant  told me that he actually goes between the dots during touch ups! That's why I'm a bit hesitant. I don't think I misheard him, however if you folks ever go to your respective HIS clinics please ask what they do during touch ups. This is what I have been told, though.

   Also, since there are countless dots on the skin from the treatment, I'd imagine going after each one specifically to be ridiculously time consuming. This would drive prices through the roof at the hourly rate since it might take longer than originally taken. I'm not sure if this would be the case, but I'm brainstorming possibilities here.

   Warrior, thanks for your input and the link. I'll be checking that out.

   Posted 7 months ago #
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   vince
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   Anotherguy, it’s probably better to ask HIS approximately how many clients have come back for a touch up due to fading in the last few years?

   As when I had my treatment done in May 2009 I asked Ian how many clients over the last 7 years had come back for a touch up due to it fading and his answer was none. He did mention that quite a few had returned to change the style, go darker, drop the hairline or add side profiles in.

   I'm assuming that if someone did require a touch due to it fading (MHT dots fading/shrinking) then would that not mean that there is less of the original pigment on the skin? So in essence it would not be more ink on ink, but just going over and touching up what was originally done.

   After 2.5 years I’m seriously thinking about going a shade or two darker, so if I decide to take the plunge I’ll definitely post up my pictures for all to see.

   I had my treatment done in May 2009 - I started a diary with my pictures, before and after, which you can see here: DIARY: My experience so far (with Pictures)
   
   2011 UPDATE: 2 Years On (with New Pictures)
   
   2012 UPDATE: 3 Years On – Still Going Strong (with New Pictures)</a

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   Warrior
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   Norwood 5
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   vince
   
   "After 2.5 years I’m seriously thinking about going a shade or two darker, so if I decide to take the plunge I’ll definitely post up my pictures for all to see."
    
   Is that because you just want it to be darker or do you feel it isn't the same shade as when it was first done?

   not yet. Scheduled in for the fall..

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   vince
   Regular Contributor
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   Warrior, the shade has not changed once bit since I had it done, even with the serious lack of aftercare on my part.

   It's just at times I think should I go a little darker. I've had the same style and look for about 2.5 years now and just fancy a change. It's similar to when one has hair and fancies a change of style. Obviously with MHT it's slightly different in the sense that you are limited with what you can do in that department.

   I had my treatment done in May 2009 - I started a diary with my pictures, before and after, which you can see here: DIARY: My experience so far (with Pictures)
   
   2011 UPDATE: 2 Years On (with New Pictures)
   
   2012 UPDATE: 3 Years On – Still Going Strong (with New Pictures)</a

   Posted 7 months ago #
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    Damien
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    Lol at Jonnyboy. Everytime I see Ian he threatens to strap me into the chair for treatment. If truth be known, I'm quite happy to be a baldy one day, a day that I'm starting to think might not be so far off !

    As the guy who manages the website, I probably see more post-MHT photos than anyone else, and I am still taken aback by the realism of the results. I guess its just not a big enough issue for me to want to fix it.

    @ Anotherguy - apologies, I missed your original question.

    The simple answer is MHT is completely different to a standard tattoo and therefore behaves completely differently. When people do their research its normally to do with standard tattooing where terminology like bleeding is used, the correct name for this migration underneath the skin. Bleeding is influenced by many factors, such as what type of ink/pigment was used, the penetration pressure applied, the depth of skin the ink/pigment is deposited, the type of technique used, the size of needle, the number of needles in a cluster, the head shape of the needle, etc etc.

    MHT is more of a process than a tattoo and being able to control and eliminate variables in this process means that potential issues associated with regular tattoos (like bleeding) are not a problem. This also ensures that when further pigment is added to the same space at a later date, the existing and the newly added pigment remain in exactly the desired position and do not bleed to create the 'shaded' effect you refer to.

    To be honest I'm not the technical expert, I'm sure the guys that do our consultations can give you more technical answers although I'm guessing some of this is confidential information.

    The other thing to really take on board, and I'm taking about Ian in particular since you mention his head, is Ian has lost more hair over the last nine years, so his results now are matched to those of a closely shaven style, i.e the top matches the sides. Whilst people may not like it I've seen his head close up on many occasions and you cannot see where is real hair is and where the MHT starts, it is completely seamless. There is very little space between the pigment deposits simply because that is what his remaining hair looks like.

    There really is an awful lot more to MHT than just a detailed tattoo. Hopefully posts like this demonstrate why the training our practitioners receive is so important.

    Hope this helps to answer your questions.

    @ Magic, it depends on the individual. Sometimes we add more pigment deposits, sometimes we re-pigment existing ones. Usually it is a combination of both but it depends on what needs to be achieved.

    @ Warrior, our pigments are blended to our own specification. Bear in mind the cost difference between MHT and a body tattoo. Regular tattoo artists are compelled to use cheaper pigments to remain competitive, and to be fair, the pigments they use are perfectly suitable for the job. We're not trying to create something that stands out, we're trying to create something that blends in, which is much more difficult, so we need custom pigments to achieve the desired effect.

    @LPP, unfortunately years ago we didnt ask our clients for permission to use their photographs, other than for their client records. For this reason, the majority of photos we can share are more recent. Hindsight is a wonderful thing...........

    I am based in the UK and spend a lot of time at the Harborne clinic in Birmingham, managing the website and forum. Want to contact me? Send me a PM or email me - damien@hishairclinic.com
    
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