Ivor

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I'm a nw7. My sides are close to the same as yours. The pictures aren't the clearest but we are roughly the same. When I'm freshly wet shaved only a light horeshoe is visible. That's what I would want to match. Under bright lighting you would hardly be able to see my remaining hair or smp if it was done correctly. Under relaxed lighting it would be more visible but still very very light. I think it represents extremely poorly on the practitioner and the company that they'd go this dark even if it's only a shade 50. You shouldn't have to do spray tans or wear concealers to try to improve it. The practitioner should of started a small sample size of 60 and seen how that matched. If it was to dark then they should of been up front with you and went over your options. From the sounds of it you would of chosen not to have the procedure rather than be in the predicament you're in now where it's to dark. Really sorry for the situation you find yourself in and hope things improve. Or a solution is figured out. Concealers and spray tans are not the answer or what you should have to put yourself through moving forward to offset the darkness and mistake in matching.

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The horeshoe for me shows right after I wet shave. Although it's very faint it's there enough to where it bugs me. I've always said if I had some hair in the back that eliminated the horeshoe and was bald everywhere else up top I would be fine with not wanting anything done. I'm content with being bald and how it looks and blends from the front view. I hate the look from behind in pictures and in the mirror though. It sticks out even after a fresh shave. It's amazing what a little hair in that area would do in fixing it aesthetically. Or being a darker ethnicity. I don't like the fake tans becuase they're all a little off. Even the good ones. I've tried a bunch and researched what was best. They're all off in color. I won't do tanning beds as it's to risky. The challenge with smp for me is taking the fresh wet shave and it matching my very light hair. I'm not looking to match a days growth. If I get it done I want it matched to when its freshly shaved. And that requires really light ink and tiny dots. Hang in there. Keep posting and hopefully it lightens up some more. We're here to support you in moving forward. Hopefully you can post some clearer pictures. It doesn't look awful. Just to dark. And the fact you're getting comments sucks.

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Hi Ivor, sorry not been on for a bit just been busy with Xmas etc. I usually go on here mooching in work haha. 

I live in Warrington and yes would of met up. 

This is crazy I've been wanting to see some treatments in real life (without going to manc his office) for a few years Ivor. 

And this weekend while out on the piss I've seen two guys who' had it done. The reason I noticed is because I'm bald nw6 and I'm always weighing heads up. Now then these two heads of smp blew me away. Im not jokng in a bar last night I went around this guy literally 1 metre away and it was good... Very good. I' not sure who done these procedures as didn't ask.

I've shaved to a number zero since I was 30 im now 40. It doesn't really bother me being bald anymore, I'm in decent shape hitting the gym, do ok with women from online dating sites. But seeing his results there' always room for improvement lol.

I nearly convinced now and will.be looking into it 2018. 

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Like I said shaved shadow, only because I've been trawling these forums for 2 years I know what I'm looking out for. I could just tell. I'm always looking out for shaved heads. 

Put it this way this bloke in the bar was with his mates and I don't reckon even they knew he'd has it done. 

Also it's usually only bald blokes that are looking at heads lol. Guys with hair don't bother as it' not in their interest. 

The other guy I seen over the weekend was with his girlfriend in a subway eating place. That was a good procedure too. I couldn't stop looking at it it was that good. All other people in the place wasn't batting an eye. 

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Personally I think the hairline is too defined. It's high enough for you to lower it with a gradually lighter shade and with the dots getting less concentrated, with a final sprinkling of random ones. The high hairline makes the contrast even more pronounced, you rarely seen a receded hairline so defined . 

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Hey bobobaldy. I wish I'd taken a photo after my first session; my hairline was even higher, far too conservative but I understand why.....better to add a bit each time rather than get it too low at the first sitting, I suppose. BUT, on the 2nd treatment I had the hairline lowered a few mm and I'm happy with it now. You are right though, the hairline is too defined to be natural at age 55.

What I do find strange is, the lowered hairline has only been done once, and with 52 shade. So I would have thought it would have looked less defined and be fading nicely. But it isn't. It's just as dark as the rest on top. 

My opinion now on SMP is that it is best for people who have been wearing a hairpiece and suddenly their transformation is just to a shaved head of hair, or people with some hair, lower nw ratings than nw7 who can then shave off their remainder and have SMP without too great a change in their appearance. In such examples the treatment is believeable.Having said that, again I'll mention Damien's treatment which appeared so subtle, and he was nw7. 

I will face the music on Tue when I start back to work, try and laugh it off but then get in touch with hishair to see what the best course of action is. I'm seriously thinking of lazer to lighten all the top and to ease the defined hairline. (If that can be done by lazering).

Does anyone know if lazering can only be done in London or could I get it lazered to how I want it anywhere more local? 

Just before Christmas, only a day or 2 after my 2nd session, I was shopping close to home when a guy much younger than me came into the card shop I was in. He was directly in front of me in the queue and I could see he had SMP....he hadn't shaved the back and sides, which is what gave the game away. It still looked really good and was a very light grey shade on top. At that time I was really pleased because I thought that would be how light mine turned out. I've got to do something to make this right. It's almost a month since my 2nd session and it simply isn't fading anymore now.

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57 minutes ago, Ivor said:

Hey bobobaldy. I wish I'd taken a photo after my first session; my hairline was even higher, far too conservative but I understand why.....better to add a bit each time rather than get it too low at the first sitting, I suppose. BUT, on the 2nd treatment I had the hairline lowered a few mm and I'm happy with it now. You are right though, the hairline is too defined to be natural at age 55.

What I do find strange is, the lowered hairline has only been done once, and with 52 shade. So I would have thought it would have looked less defined and be fading nicely. But it isn't. It's just as dark as the rest on top. 

My opinion now on SMP is that it is best for people who have been wearing a hairpiece and suddenly their transformation is just to a shaved head of hair, or people with some hair, lower nw ratings than nw7 who can then shave off their remainder and have SMP without too great a change in their appearance. In such examples the treatment is believeable.Having said that, again I'll mention Damien's treatment which appeared so subtle, and he was nw7. 

I will face the music on Tue when I start back to work, try and laugh it off but then get in touch with hishair to see what the best course of action is. I'm seriously thinking of lazer to lighten all the top and to ease the defined hairline. (If that can be done by lazering).

Does anyone know if lazering can only be done in London or could I get it lazered to how I want it anywhere more local? 

Just before Christmas, only a day or 2 after my 2nd session, I was shopping close to home when a guy much younger than me came into the card shop I was in. He was directly in front of me in the queue and I could see he had SMP....he hadn't shaved the back and sides, which is what gave the game away. It still looked really good and was a very light grey shade on top. At that time I was really pleased because I thought that would be how light mine turned out. I've got to do something to make this right. It's almost a month since my 2nd session and it simply isn't fading anymore now.

Cutlass wrote extensively about what to look for in a lazer in a different post. I don’t remember if HIS does laser anymore at all. I’m sure they can refer though.

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Thanks Checkingthisout. Yeah, did a search on laser/lazer and am quite suprised how many have gone through the same issue of being too dark.....and as bobobaldy pointed out, defined hairlines.

Looks more like lazer may be the best solution for me so anyone know if it is just London in the UK or can I get local laser treatment? I did a Google search and there is a 'proper' laser clinic 30 miles away, (not just a cosmetic hair removal place). Would they be likely to understand my aims of fading the SMP and breaking up the hairline????

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Hey Bobobaldy. Bit of a mixed bag returning to work. On the whole day 1 went ok. One guy behind me when I was sat doing computer work mentioned how I was growing my hair and took a long look at the top of my head but then went on about how 'strong' my hairline was around the front. No one else had given me a second look and I got through to Fri fairly well. Through the week I bumped into people I've known for a few years and none of them were glancing up at my head as we spoke. But then Friday was a problem. We went out to 'celebrate' one of the girl's promotion. I was out in varying lights, from murky daylight to restaurant darkened lights and finally to a well lit pub and after a few drinks some ribbing started, in particular how I had blue hair. And to be honest in the pub mirrors it did look blue. But also there was some disbelief at how much hair I seemed to have.

To be quite frank, I haven't done anything to help myself as yet. I had intended ringing a laser clinic and also Hishair on Tuesday but then because the start of the week seemed to go ok I thought I'd be able to get away with it. I had thought that the treatment had lightened ever so slightly but the hairline is still very distinct. 

As a result of Friday's comments though, I realise the treatment is indeed too noticable, not really credible and needs action. Come Monday I will ring a laser clinic to see if they have any experience with SMP. The one I've found seems to specialise in tattoo removal and advertises treatment to make tattoos fades (in readiness for a tattoo cover-up, apparently) so my hope is that they can possibly break up the hairline, lighten the SMP and also ease the line of my left temple because that seems to follow an un-natural line.

I would say that SMP has taken over my life at the moment and not in a good way. When out of the house I'm waiting for people to comment or to be looking up at the top of my head; fading has been absolutely minimal to date.....more patchy as opposed to fading to a lighter shade. But because it's the top that is going patchy and not the hairline, it is still too distinct. I don't want to get it all lasered off as I had been excited at the prospect of having something up there, but the result after 2 treatments isn't as I had hoped. I know the process is described as a roller coaster and that the third session is when the magic happens, but I can't see how having more SMP would result in a more subtle appearance.

I will try and take clearer photos and post them shortly.

 

 

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I dunno why it repeated the text on my last post.

Sorry, I guess I'm just crap at photography. I don't know how to stop pictures looking grainy and the lighting is poor.

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 I think that more SMP (ironically ) could sort it out. It needs to fade out down to a broken hairline.A short session just on the front . Laser removal from a standard tattoo removal company might do more harm than good. Bit of a ask tho to wait for another couple of weeks for another session.

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Hi Ivor,

hope your well,

I think even though you've uploaded plenty of pics for us! thank you by the way.

But the problem is I don't think the camera is good enough for us to make a proper comment or judgement here. There hard to see.

Maybe take a couple close up in the garden or natural daylight please?

thank you!

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Thanks for the replies.

2hangar, I will do outside photos this coming weekend. 

Bobobaldy, yeah, I am in 2 minds about a 3rd session.....as I said earlier, posters all say that the 3rd is when the magic happens. But, my main problem is the lack of fading all over the top and front. The vast majority of photos on the forum of smp look superb on guys. Those who were nw7 look far better with their new look so smp works and is a brilliant solution to baldness.  However mine is just too dark on top and a bit too defined at the hairline making it too great a change in my appearance. Everyone who knew me before has noticed that change. Comments from them come on a daily basis and now three seperate people who have no connection with each other have said about how my hair looks blue....in different lighting!!! I love having that 'stubble' up there but want/need it to be far lighter and less defined at the front. I don't understand how more smp would achieve the lighter appearance even if shade 58 or 60 was used. My 2nd treatment was 52, so the slightly lowered hairline should appear slightly lighter than the top as the lowered hairline has only been hit once with the needle. But it doesn't. 

 This week has meant teaching in a classroom with people I've never met before plus 2 I've met just in passing and there hasn't been a single double look or eyes up to my head as we speak. So it's not that my smp doesn't look real........except possibly occasionally blue......it is that the change from my being totally fair and bald to having thick dark stubble is too great to really be believeable.

Work has been manic this week so again I've been a bit slow on my personal stuff. I have booked a consultation with a local laser company for tomorrow. I intend trying to ring HisHair lunchtime today for advice, work time permitting and will update on both over the weekend.

 

 

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PermanentVacation; I guess that is indeed possible. However, my first treatment had my hairline higher than it is now and I looked like something off the Simpsons. My second treatment I was adamant I wanted it lower and that was against the wishes of my practitioner. She was reluctant to drop it but then agreed. I still rely on their experience and she said she would not go any lower than it is now. Considering my age I would say it is just about the right height now.

My first treatment, like everyone else, (shade 50) was dark for the first few days then by the day of my 2nd treatment, 7 days after the first, it was just the right shade I wanted. Had I not (desperately) NEEDED to have the hairline lowered, I would have left my treatment at that and not had the 2nd session. But the hairline needed to drop 1/2 cm or so and rather than just have a strip across the front of my head where it was lowered, I accepted a full 2nd session (on top, not sides, because my left temple was still too painful from the 1st session). That 2nd session, (shade 52), is where it has gone 'wrong' for me. I never wanted an illusion of a full head of shaven hair because I knew the change in appearance would not be believable to people who knew me; I wanted an illusion saying that my hair had started receding and thinning, and so I was shaving to the bone as though 'hiding' that impending baldness....if that makes sense. So, the fading after session 1 was exactly what I was after...wish I had taken a photo myself....but the hairline was too high and cartoon like. 

My hopes are that now I can get the top all lightened to match the sides AND get the rather straight lined hairline broken up. That left temple I mentioned also has a 10p piece sized area that is darker than the rest of the sides; as though it was slightly over-inked in the first session, so I could do with that being lighter as well.

 

I know Cutlass has experience of lasers to lighten and remove the ink; can anyone provide information on strength or power of the laser to just lighten or fade the ink slightly? I can risk having experimental shots of laser on that 10p sized ink area and also on a larger ink dot at the corner of my right receded hairline to see how it gets on before going the whole hog.

 

 

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My suggestion is to bite the bullet and hold off from lasering your head for now. I would say that after ten weeks you will notice the settling in period to have occurred and will in my opinion be accustomed and adjusted to actually no longer being bare up there. The first treatment is a light template and does not have the 'impact' that the density from the second gives. I am more than confident that after a couple of months it will 'settle' and not appear to be so vibrant. Ironically this vibrant first couple of months is what I term the honeymoon period in that it is super zingy and visible. Believe me, do not laser your nut for at least three months. I think you will be okay, you do not have an unrealistic hairline, it will calm and also you will adjust. Your acquaintances now know you as the guy with hair... HURRAH!

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Thanks SHVD. Am going to look into all possible solutions before I act. I understand what you mean by giving it time but it has now been almost 6 weeks and although larger patches such as my dome have slightly faded...though not much...more patchy than faded, the lines of my hairline are so distinct. My photos are really poor quality so don't show that. The lines have not faded and nor has the front part of my scalp. 

I was absolutely bald, fair and smooth on top so the appearance of a strong hairline along with dark shaved hair is too great a transformation to be believeable.

I will keep the forum updated and thanks for all the responses.

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This is so different from my experience. I was also totally bald. Not one person ever clicked my smp change and the f they did never said anything. Even now after so many sessions I wonder can people notice it when they say stuff like "I will be like u soon "

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willgreen, having done a search and viewed your photos I think your treatment looks superb. You and I should just swap heads.

 

Had a chat at a laser clinic today. She looked closely at my head and said she could not tell it wasn't hair but agreed that the hairline was a bit sharp. She Googled Hishair while I was there to get some information on the process. Having explained about the ink that Hishair uses she does think it will fade to a shade closer to the sides and back of my head and recommends I don't try a full, top of head laser....which was good of her because that's less money for them if I do go for some laser treatment later. It appears I do have some sun damage on the top of my head and she also recommended I get that checked by a doctor.

I've got some better photos which I will try and upload.....how do you scrub out faces on photos?????

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Why do you care so much if other people notice a change on your head? Let them notice whatever they want. Even if they notice something, after a day or two they have forgotten about it anyway and don't give a crap about your hair. I have the feeling you overthink the whole thing a bit too much.

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